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@TheRacingWolf 1yr1Y
Top Disagreement
The suicide rates of children who receive gender-affirming care are astronomically lower than those who don't. Additionally, the divorce rate and the amount of people who work in a field unrelated to their college major are much higher than the rate of people who regret transgender surgery. While the former two are encouraged, the latter is looked down upon.
@98HV8R7 1yr1Y
The concept of gender-affirming care is too recent to record accurate data regarding its effects. Teenagers who receive gender-affirming care will not experience the full scope of the decision until they reach an age of maturity, apply for jobs, date, begin careers. Only then will the concept of "regret," or not, be accurately recorded. Children who are unable to consent to sexual relations, vote, pay taxes, or be approved for a loan should not be subject to gender-affirming care, particularly if the procedure creates permanent physical changes.
gender-affirming care is not a new concept its been researched since the 1930s
@782VYT63mos3MO
In a recent study, 35.1% of persons who get their first tattoo before age 18 express regret, but only 12.8% of persons 18 years or older regret their first tattoo (Liszewski et al., 2015).
Regret among tattooed adolescents
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 1mo1MO
Its not a recent concept. its existed since the 1930s, just was illegal in almost all countries until recently. Most people couldn't afford to move to another country to receive the treatment, so they just never did. As it becomes legal in the US it becomes more widespread and easily available to those who need it, making it seem like its new.
@9HZ8L7C 11mos11MO
The most in-detail study on this says otherwise. The conclusion says:
"Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group."
The suicide rates from that same study are also quite shocking. People who have undergone gender-reassignment… Read more
This is a study that uses outdated terminology (transsexualism) and misrepresents the numbers to the point of being malicious. A reputable source would always compare the population being studied to the control. The control in this case being non-transitioned individuals who have gender dysphoria. Comparing transitioned individuals to the general population's suicide rate to portray gender affirming surgery as ineffective is dishonest, when the suicide rate markedly improves compared to the untansitioned control.
@9FPLGCR1yr1Y
I agree with this very much. As a transgender citizen, gender-affirming care has ended my depression, which was a result of biochemical issues due to my brain being wired to receive testosterone. I am functionally a male, and without gender-affirming care I would likely have killed myself by now.
@Ars-Gratia-Artis10mos10MO
Out of curiosity, and please don't attack me, would therapy possibly have created a similar outcome?
@9JTVXMF10mos10MO
The vast majority of Trans folks that have pursued gender-affirming care have undergone years of therapy to get there. Your medical team (including your therapist) has to clear you for gender-affirming care. Some folks can combat their gender dysphoria and related depression with a combination of affirming therapy and self-expression, but this is uncommon.
Just try to keep in mind that everybody's different, A way is not THE way, and that gender-affirming care saves lives.
@6XXS3FT2mos2MO
Lol not me. I bought mine from Vanatu and never looked back. Screw those gatekeepers. Now nobody in my college knows I was born a man lmaooo
@9V2S8MSTranshumanist3mos3MO
"Suicide rates" are simply natural selection against mental illness.
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 2mos2MO
Natural selection also says that humans born with physical disabilities should die, but would you say that we should not give them the help they need to live?
@@1876-Elbert1mo1MO
Natural Selection says babies should live, but here we are tearing them LIMB FROM LIMB before they are even born. By that extension, why not? If we will kill babies, with a right to life, why wouldn't we kill disabled people with the same right?
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 1mo1MO
the key difference between abortion and this is abortion occurs before the baby is alive.
@helloitsnatalia2mos2MO
this is eugenicist and genocidal language. where are the mods?
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 1mo1MO
Isidewith has no moderators... its run by Artificial Intelligence
@9G7ZH5B1yr1Y
Transgenderism is wrong, and with an undeveloped mind you must be borderline retarded to suggest that anyone should give a child permission to get an irreversible procedure with lifelong negative effects
@9GB5SGP 1yr1Y
If a child is expressing that they are not comfortable in their own body, you should be paying attention to that. Not how you may feel about what they are saying. Put your child's needs before your beliefs. They may be young or old, but they know how they feel. It is THEIR bodies. You shouldn't be using "restarted" as a reference to this topic, or anything really. That's just as wrong as how you feel about this topic.
@9SSGZKX3mos3MO
This is woke nonsense.
Lets agree on giving my child life changing body mutilations below the age of consent! Lovely!
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 2mos2MO
If the parent says no the child cannot receive them. If you really feel that uncomfortable about it you can say no. I don't think you should but you have the ability to.
@MereVot3rVo1ceIndependent3mos3MO
My child has expressed that they feel extremely agitated and uncomfortable if they don't eat a diet consisting entirely of candy and soda. How should I proceed?
@9G8GB961yr1Y
Literally nobody is suggesting surgery on children. Straw man arguments do nothing productive when it comes to discussing gender affirmation for children.
@9TLP3CF3mos3MO
Many people are suggesting irreversible surgery on children. I disagree, and think they should be of age and know what they are agreeing to.
@helloitsnatalia2mos2MO
most irreversible gender affirming surgeries are for breasts for cis boys with gynecomastia and cis girls reducing breast related pain. its legal for fathers to purchase their teen daughters bigger boobs, but you balk at the kinds of procedures that might save lives while ignorant of the actual silliness of the status quo.
@9G8K4KD1yr1Y
The “procedures” in question are very reversible. There are very very few people advocating for surgery for minors under 16 years of age. Trans affirming healthcare involves hormone blockers, which simply delay the process of puberty, which is an irreversible process.
@PBJoe1yr1Y
This issue is a personal medical issue that should be between a patient and their doctors/therapists.
@9FBGL671yr1Y
Top Agreement
Children have all types of wild thoughts and ideas. Adults have the responsibility to guide them through those
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 2mos2MO
Thats why a child is unable to just walk into a doctor's office and have gender affirming care done. They have to get permission and have multiple adults agree its in their best interests.
@9HGW5LH1yr1Y
The WPATH suggested requirements to recieve trans related care are high enough, as per the Standards of Care.
The WPATH suggested requirements needed for minors to recieve trans related care are high enough to eliminate those that are just too imaginitive.
The following recommendations are made regarding the requirements for gender-affirming medical and surgical treatment (All of them must be met): 6.12- We recommend health care professionals assessing transgender and gender diverse adolescents only recommend gender-affirming medical or surgical treatments requested by the patient when: 6.12.a- the adolescent meets the diagnostic criteria of gender incongruence as per the ICd-11 in situations where… Read more
@9FRM5KV1yr1Y
My best counter-argument to this is that if a child is old enough (around 16-18) they are capable of understanding and learning about everything that goes into the process we should be supportive of them and allow them to embrace who they really are. We shouldn't have control of their gender identity. Only they should have control over that.
@9FQC9SY1yr1Y
HRT and even non-medical forms of Gender Transition have not been scientifically proven to be irreversible, and if the child, parents AND a doctor all agree it's the best decision then it's the right choice. Not to mention while the child may still regret it the rate of regret is extremely low, and many other children have had far higher regret rates from other medical procedures. As well as that many life changing decisions that negatively impact children are already made for them by their parents, whereas this is a choice the child can make themselves that can positively impact their life.
Medical care is a private and personal decision making process between the medical provider and the individual. Government directive and interference is unnecessary and unconstitutional. This transcends far beyond the concept of gender transition, which still remains a private and personal decision making process that is (and should be) protected under the constitution.
@9GJSXT4Independent 1yr1Y
Data shows a mind is not fully developed to make decisions like this. You wouldn't let your child pick what they eat for dinner, we certainly cannot allow children to make these decisions.
@9GNQ7D81yr1Y
children should be allowed to make their own decisions when exploring their identity, because only they know themselves best. people(parents) have no opinion in deciding someone else's identity, and because these choices cannot actually harm anyone else, they should be allowed gender-affirming care if it brings them peace.
@9GJSXT4Independent1yr1Y
You can call them whatever they want, dress how they want, but under no means should they be allowed to do gender altering surgery before their mind has fully developed. If a child feels like they’re a race car driver, should we let them drive cars? If a child feels they’re Superman, should we let them go fight bad guys?
@9FT294M1yr1Y
If a person can't get a tattoo until 18 or drink alcohol at 21. Why at 16 can they surgically remove their own penis?
Children are often easily influenced by their peers, the media, and others around them. Being so susceptible to influence puts them at risk of making decisions for themselves that aren't for themselves.
@9H2HJG51yr1Y
It is common sense, if a child can’t make any other major life decision why should they be able to make a decision of this magnitude. They are not mentally ready for it. Transitioning is a grueling mental and physical process, it’s not just the flip of some switch
@FaithInFreedom 3mos3MO
Can we all sit for a moment and entertain the thought that maybe the reason "gender-affirming care" is being seen as a viable treatment for gender dysphoria is because, as a society, we prefer to slap a band-aid on the problem in the form of chemicals instead of building up our young psyches with things like coping skills and self love? I would love for you to read on and hear my personal story.
From the age of about four until a little after puberty was in full swing, I told the world and the person I saw in the mirror every day that I was a boy. This is because, as a girl, I was… Read more
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 2mos2MO
You're story is the reason for all the steps in the process of transitioning. While you may have been able to accept your biological gender not everyone is able to do so. As someone who is transfeminine I can also tell you that your story is different from many trans people. Your gender dysphoria was caused by stereotypes in society which made you think that you were not a girl even if you felt like one. With me while I was born male I never was able to identify with any part of being male, even though my personality has many stereotypical masculine aspects.
@9HT9MZ3 11mos11MO
A child is meant to feel and think different things, that's how they grow and learn, but they shouldn't be allowed to transition until they are legally an adult. Children may say they want or desire something, but they don't have the knowledge to understand the impact of their choices yet.
@9LZ2DWTTranshumanist 7mos7MO
If a child knows within their own mind that they are labeled the wrong gender, they need to first have access to psychologists who are specifically trained in gender affirming care, then when they start to reach puberty, provide puberty blockers while continuing the psychology therapist sessions, and then when they are 16, they should know whether or not they should be able to make further decisions that may include surgery.
@9GDMFBF1yr1Y
In the case of Luna Younger, a young male-to-female transgender girl, her split custody parents have been undergoing a legal battle over her transition. At the age of 2, Luna began showing certain feminine proclivities, (which is not uncommon in male toddlers, especially consider Luna has a biologically female twin) and her mother began taking her to gender therapy to determine if Luna needed to transition. While living with her mother, Luna presents as female and undergoes various gender affirming therapies and treatments. However, while with her father, Luna presents and is happy to live as a boy and be called by her birth name. Her father says that she only sees herself as a girl while living with her mother, and that this is because her mother and Lunas therapists are "railroading" her into her transgender identity.
@9WXY7XC1mo1MO
I agree with this. if God made them a girl, then they should be a girl, if God made them a boy, then they should stay a boy, but I am not them but I do 100% believe that they should wait until they are over the age of 18 because then, their brain would almost be fully developed. after they make that choice, they cant go back and change again, they are stuck like that for the rest of their lives.
@9HS9YZG 12mos12MO
the child still lacks thinking skills. If parents are very liberal, they may too easily allow surgery for a child with poor thinking skills. Even, I am currently in my 20s and my thoughts are changing rapidly. Until recently, I was a right-winger, but I changed my leanings to the left.
@9WMF99Z2mos2MO
They may not be mature enough to understand the weight of the decision, but they know what they want, and if they regret it, they can spend the rest of their life as a lesson
@9LQ3WXX8mos8MO
I do think that children shouldn't be allowed to make irreversible life decisions. But, certain treatments can be reversed.
@9GXY5MS1yr1Y
Transition in childhood, and especially before puberty, is social: using a name and pronouns with which the child is comfortable, and allowing the child to dress in a way which is comfortable. Before puberty, there is no irreversible decision.
In the case of "puberty blocker" hormone treatments, these are also reversible. What is not reversible is puberty itself.
Additionally, transgender children and their guardians are heavily counseled on any potential medical treatments and decisions.
@9GXBXKX1yr1Y
With the reserch that has been done on this topic, it shows that the decisions give a huge boost in mental health. The % of trans kids who have mental issues is very high.
@9GWXK3Q1yr1Y
Not if they don't understand the true consequences and problems that come with it they should not be allowed.
@9GW587M1yr1Y
https://thefederalist.com/2022/06/16/the-science-on-brain-development-rebukes-those-pushing-gender-transition-on-kids/
@9GRLJ3S1yr1Y
Just because they are supposedly children they still know what is best for them it is their own body and they should be able to express how they feel on the inside on the outside of their body.
@9FLY9S31yr1Y
Any rational sane person understands that the means of perspective the affect the understanding of autonomy therefore changed the way autonomy works in children.
@9M8SJMN7mos7MO
Kids aren't allowed to get tattoos because they cannot contemplate permanency. Do not allow them to cut off their genitals or mess with hormones because the effects are irreversible. They don't know that. You do. Protect your kids from their own bad decisions.
@9M6DDLF7mos7MO
While it does make sense that those under 16 are more likely to regret the decision and wish to revert back to their original gender assigned at birth, those that are 16 or older are more likely to make a permanent decision on the topic.
@9LZ483LRepublican7mos7MO
kids just wanna be stupid and go through a phase where they wanna be a different gender cause deep down they will know they will never be a different gender
@9LYNLKY8mos8MO
While I agree that children should have to wait to go through large transitional surgeries until they can legally make that decision, or are of an age where they can fully understand and accept the repercussions of said surgery if they choose to receive it, Hormone replacement therapy and puberty blockers aren't entirely permanent. So.. it *can* actually be reversed for the most part.
@9FSBKWM1yr1Y
They should be, but all students should be heavily educated on gender transition, and other temporary services should be offered
@9D66V72Republican 3mos3MO
just look at the data on the cognitive maturity of a twelve year old or under versus a 18-25 year Olds.
@9HK4T7X 9mos9MO
A lot of data has shown that people after receiving these surgeries are just as suicidal as before they received any medical transition. The problem with the entire Trans argument, is that a man can't become a women. A man is an adult human male and a women is an adult human female. The left often uses the words female and women interchangeably even though they claim sex and gender are different. The first line of the gender definition is, "The male or female sex" debunking this claim. A lot of people who are transgender have an underlying mental illness that has nothing to do with them being trans at all, there is a mental health epidemic in this country, and people are losing their purpose. This is why we see movements and ideas like this one.
@random17345 1yr1Y
"Exploring different modes and expressions of gender is a normal part of development during childhood. Young kids often playact favorite characters of a different gender, or enjoy playing dress-up. Most eventually assume the identity of their assigned gender. For some children, gender remains fluid." taken from article "Transgender Kids and Gender Dysphoria" on childmind.org
"The latest research indicates that a part of the adolescent brain is not fully mature until the early 20s. Researchers call this a “mismatch” in maturation of the brain networks, a “gap” in development, or immature brain circuitry." taken from article "The Developing Brain" on futureswithoutviolence.org
@9GXY97XIndependent1yr1Y
A child who drinks alcohol may develop early addiction and ruin their lives and gain immense regret.
@9VQJMSH 2mos2MO
Puberty is an irreversible life change. Should we put all children on puberty blockers until they are 18? No?
What about pursuing one academic interest over another. That can and often does affect the course of the rest of their life irrevocably. Should children be forced not to do that? I really doubt you believe that you should keep a child from pursuing, say, math beyond the minimum requirements.
Then, given that irreversible things can and must happen during a persons childhood, some of which are necessarily the child's choice, it is unreasonable to make a blanket statement that chi… Read more
@9H4L8X51yr1Y
Getting born itself is an irreversible decision.
In our lives we will have to make irreversible decisions. Sometimes, very hard decisions.
But to rob someone of that decision and have lawmakers or anyone who isn’t close to that person make the decision(which is also irreversible and causes permanent changes to the person’s body and life) isn’t the correct choice. At the end the safest way to go is to let the individual, their families and friends, and well trained medical professionals decide that together, if the decision would be correct for them(not just the doctors but… Read more
@9GHH4M21yr1Y
Multiple transgenders are saying they regret switching genders. They need to stay what god made them.
@9FS24ZY1yr1Y
Their brains are still developing and they’re being told what they are rather than what they really are, whatever they were born as.
disinformation about medical practice, most treatments are reversible
@9GJJ56S1yr1Y
If children are literally killing themselves due to gender dysphoria and it has shown that this surgery can help reduce the death rate in trans kind than i believe that the kid should be allowed to do it. BUT only on three conditions, One: they must be showing signs/diagnosed with gender dysphoria. Two: If the child actually wants the surgery and isn't being manipulated by anyone to do this. Lastly three: They must be at an age or mental state where they are aware of what they want and can make rational decisions on their own like in the late teens.
@9GNMJRF1yr1Y
children have young and impressionable minds cases have shown that most children grow out of gender dysphoria after 18 and giving children below 18 this kind of surgery and medication might impact then heavily in the future
@9G2YG9G1yr1Y
im not smart on this subject nor have i researched it but from common sense, they should wait til 18
@9HF32Y8Independent1yr1Y
just let them because once they are 18 they will do it anyway so if you letthem think it throu till 16 maby 17 then you will see
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