Discussing - Actually, modern science does not support this.…

@Ars-Gratia-ArtisDisagreementsStarted 1yr agoActive 1mo ago

““All modern science concurs that the mental disorder is only able to be treated by transitioning.””

Actually, modern science does not support this. While yes, some places have found findings that all transgender people have gender dysphoria (I wonder why this correlation exists, /sarcasm) this is not an effective cure. Many people have expressed continued problems after their transitions. While some are happy and make it past, some are not. I agree that it is a mental disorder. However, many people who tried a therapeutic route also expressed positive results. It is not factual to state that all modern science concurs, it actually does not, nor that the only treatment is transitioning. In… Read more fact, the Jordan B. Peterson situation right now is a fair example. Everything he says (as a prominent research psychologist) has cited sources and backing, yet Canada is choosing to silence him. I'm not saying transitioning isn't an option. However, someone under the legal age to drink alcohol, buy guns, and actually use the organs they're trying to get should not be able to do irreversible damage/change to their body. If they REALLY have to transition, they could wait until they're 18 or 21. Teenagers are the most famously mentally unstable group of people on the planet, other than terrorists, they shouldn't be allowed to make important decisions like this yet. It's not transphobia (which is actually a misnomer, it should be transist) it's just that we only have ten or so years of research on this being done in depth, and until we have more, it's not a good idea to increase access to this. For now. (I think I already said that, sorry for the tautology.)

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@helloitsnatalia from Kansas disagreed…6mos6MO

your argument rests on an appeal to the authority of grifter with no credential or credibility in gender science, biology, or even actual psychological science (hes a jungian therapist). you have no idea what youre talking about and are just another malinformed bigot pretending to care about people while actively poisoning the discourse.

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@B49GXSV from Indiana commented…1mo1MO

“You have no idea what you’re talking about”. They provided real life examples and their OPINION and you say that along with calling them a bigot. Do YOU even know what you’re talking about? A bigot is a person who is unwilling to listen/ learn from someone with an opposing view point. That is EXACTLY what you are doing. We can disagree without name calling and hypocrisy.

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@B3D9KKS from Idaho commented…2mos2MO

#8 Engaged Social Issues

@Ars-Gratia-Artis is actually making a valid and well explained point. He is not hating on transgender people, but instead suggesting that there are other treatment options for gender dysphoria than changing genders. He does say that teenagers are one of the most mentally unstable demographics and that is why they should wait until they are older, but he does see transitioning as an option for adults (he literally said, "I'm not saying transitioning isn't an option.") Also, how is he a bigot, and how is he "actively poisoning the discourse"? Allowing different… Read more viewpoints to be expressed lets people better understand the different views and walks of life that people come from, increasing tolerance. Sure, there will be some people to call for violence, but the increased tolerance from the increased amount of CIVIL disagreement will be a protection over violence.