The conversation debates the principles of consent and bodily autonomy in contexts like pregnancy and organ donation, emphasizing the ability to withdraw consent.
@VulcanMan6 2yrs2Y
Even grown adult people do not have the right to use another person's body without their consent, so why exactly do you think a fetus should be entitled to do the same, whether you consider it "a person" or not..?
@SugaryThrushe2yrs2Y
The argument here seems to be that when one knowingly engages in an activity that could potentially result in pregnancy, they are in essence consenting to the possibility of a fetus using their body. In comparison, this situation is likened to the scenario of defaulting on a loan - while it's generally unacceptable to seize another's property, if one fails to meet their loan obligations, they have essentially given the lender the right to claim their property.
@VulcanMan6 2yrs2Y
Aside from your distasteful comparison of pregnancy and bodily autonomy to loans and property rights, your argument fundamentally comes down to whether or not you believe that consent can be withdrawn.
I would argue that, yes, all people can and should be able to withdraw consent at any time, so even if you believe that consent to sex is inherently consent to pregnancy, then you still have the right to withdraw your consent to either. If, however, you believe that people cannot withdraw consent, then I would argue that you have some very concerning premises to explain...
@SugaryThrushe2yrs2Y
If you believe that consent to bodily autonomy can be withdrawn at any time, then how would you resolve this scenario? Let's say a person voluntarily consents to donate a kidney to a person in need. The operation is done, the kidney is transplanted successfully. But after a month or so, the donor decides to withdraw consent and wants their kidney back. Should the recipient be obliged to return it because the donor has withdrawn their consent?
@VulcanMan6 2yrs2Y
Once the operation is done, it is literally no longer your kidney, as it belongs to the other person now, and you don't have consent over someone else's kidneys. Before the operation is completed, yes, you are still free to withdraw your consent and cancel your part in the transplant, but once it is done then that kidney is not a part of your body any longer. Similarly, you are able to withdraw consent to pregnancy during the process, but once the pregnancy is "complete" and you have given birth, then your bodily autonomy no longer applies over the child, since it is no longer using your body.
@9YHDVLF6mos6MO
Abortionists may argue bodily autonomy, but they few truly believe in it. They’re nearly the same group that demands mandatory vaccinations. They screech and scream, “it’s different, it affects others too by spreading disease,” while they spread disease having the unprotected sex that leads to demanding the abortion. They love bodily autonomy when it lets them kill black babies, but not when others use their own bodily autonomy to assault them. They're inconsistent because they don’t believe in bodily autonomy. They want personal convenience. Their stance… Read more
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