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@9FZKSH6 from Florida commented…2yrs2Y

"Many laws around the world define the start of life at the point of viability outside the womb, which is usually around 24 weeks."

Good point, but this is America, and the American constitution protects our "posterity" and grants its rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. To bring other countries into this argument is rather irrelevant, because this argument is focused on American politics -- this is an American political website.

A fetus cannot survive independently. However, neither can my great grandma who is on life support. If we were to shut off her lif… Read moree support, she would die. Just like how if a baby were taken from a womb prematurely, he/she would die. Does the need for assistance take away from their values of life? After all, both instances meet the 5 criterion of life, therefore scientifically, they must be alive.

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@VulcanMan6 from Kansas disagreed…2yrs2Y

I'm confused as to why your argument relies so heavily on the right to life of the fetus..? Even a fully grown and conscious adult person does not have the right to use any other person's body without their consent, even if their life is at stake, right? Because no person's right to life can overrule another person's bodily autonomy, so whether or not the fetus has the right to life in the first place would still be completely irrelevant, since even fully grown adults cannot use a person's body if they don't consent...so why should a fetus be any different, espec… Read moreially when its personhood is not even objective?

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@9FZKSH6 from Florida commented…2yrs2Y

In no way is the fetus overriding your "bodily autonomy". If a woman has sex, she's probably gonna get pregnant. This is literally how it always has been. Nothing new here. If you have sex, you're gonna get pregnant. Getting pregnant is just the natural part of conception. So, if you conceive without at least expecting the chance of getting pregnant, that's pure stupidity. There's really no other way to put it.

The reason why the child inside the womb isn't violated your "bodily autonomy" is because when you make the decision to interact sexually… Read more with another human being of the opposite sex, there is a chance of getting pregnant. That's just part of the game. Because of that, the child literally did nothing to violate your "bodily autonomy". The child is literally just the fruit of your decisions. It was your decision to interact with that person in almost all cases (except for rape, I know).

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@VulcanMan6 from Kansas disagreed…2yrs2Y

You seem to misunderstand. This has nothing to do with the circumstances of the conception, this is simply regarding the fact that pregnancy IS the use of the mother's body by the fetus. The fetus is, in every sense, quite literally using the body of the mother to live and grow; that is what pregnancy is.

And, again: no person (even a fetus) has the right to use another person's body without their constant consent, right? Hence why the fetus does not have any right to continue using its mother's body if she does not want it to. That is why the fetus has no say or right to override the autonomy of the mother and her right over the use of her own body; if she does not consent to this being using her body for the next several months, then she has every right to stop it from doing so...even if that means it dies, because it does notRead more have the right to be there, using someone else's body, in the first place.